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A Few Answers From Eric Bryant
Awaken vice president Eric Bryant and I exchanged emails from April 17 until May 3, 2007. In these emails I asked very specific questions regarding “Awaken” and often referred back to the information posted on the Awaken Humanity webpage at
http://www.awaken.org/awaken-humanity
Since Jimmy Duke, the former vice president of Awaken, knew who I was when he sent an email response to me on April 17, I believed that Eric Bryant was also aware of my identity and knew about my blog. On April 20 Eric claimed that he had not known who I was before but indicated that he was now aware of my identity and the existence of this blog. He expressed his “disappointment” with me but added this comment about my father:
“We continue to run the finances of Mosaic and Awaken with integrity just as your father did.”
These are Eric Bryant’s answers to the specific questions I asked. He gave me these answers on April 20, 2007, in the same email in which he claims he had just found out who I am.
1. Is the entire $100,000 being raised going towards a film (or films such as Awaken Africa and Awaken L.A. as the case may be) project?
$0 given towards Awaken Humanity goes towards films
2. Is only part of the $100,000 being raised going towards a film (or films) project?
$0 given towards Awaken Humanity goes towards films
3. Is Awaken soliciting donations on behalf of the charities listed?
All the money goes towards the projects listed. (Yvonne: I'm still not clear on this one, does this mean you are "soliciting" donations?)
4. Can I still send a donation to Awaken but designate a specific charity in the memo line?
Awaken allows people to designate where their gifts go.
5. Does Awaken have its own 501(c)(3), on record with the state of California, separate from Mosaic?
No answer
6. Is Awaken under Awaken International?
No answer
7. Is Awaken under Awaken Center for Creativity?
No answer
8. Does Awaken International have its own 501(c)(3) on record with the state of California?
No answer
9. Does Awaken Center for Creativity has its own 501(c)(3) on record with the state of California?
No answer
10. Is Awaken in compliance with all federal and California state laws, rules and regulations regarding the operation of a religious, non-profit?
Currently, all the money that comes into Awaken for Awaken Humanity is then sent to Mosaic for distribution. Mosaic and Awaken are operating legally and ethically. Both are in compliance with all laws, rules, and regulations. Every year the Mosaic leadership determines the relationship between Mosaic and Awaken.
I received a final email from Eric Bryant on April 27, 2007 with this new information:
Awaken is a registered 501c3 under the name Awaken Humanity. We just received our paperwork recently. The Secretary of State should be updating their website soon. This summer we are registering for tax exempt status. Currently, Awaken is still a subsidiary of Mosaic until we finish this paperwork. The elders began this paperwork process awhile back, but we have a few more loose ends to tie up. Your dad oversaw the Mosaic finances until Dec. 2006 and the Awaken finances until Dec. 2005.
This is the last email I sent to Eric Bryant on May 3, 2007:
Eric,
I've read through your answers several times but there are certain things about them that still don't make sense to me.
You wrote that my father oversaw the finances of "Awaken" until Dec. 2005. First of all, which "Awaken" are you referring to? According to the California Business Portal, the paperwork for:
Awaken Center for Creativity was filed on August 7, 2002. Agent for Service of Process Erwin McManus
. . . and the paperwork for:
Awaken International was filed July 22, 2003. Agent for Service of Process Erwin McManus
I visited the California Business Portal on April 30, 2007 and found:
Awaken Humanity
Filed April 20, 2007
Agent for Service of Process: Eric Bryant
Clearly, my father could not have been over the finances of this last "Awaken" since he "retired" from Mosaic on January 1, 2007 and has since resigned as one of its elders.
Also, when you wrote that my father oversaw "Awaken finances until Dec. 2005," this doesn't match what I remember. I remember my father saying that he resigned from the board of directors of "Awaken" in the summer of 2004. In fact, I believe he wasn't the only person to resign; didn't several of the elders also resign from Awakens board of directors at that time? My father says he resigned because he couldn't get the financial reports he needed to file the required Form 990. This must have been Awaken International since the paperwork to incorporate it was filed in 2003.
I guess what my confusion boils down to is this, what corporation are you referring to you when you use the name "Awaken?" The California State Attorney Generals office recognizes two legal entities with Erwin McManus listed as the Agent for Service of Process. Both of these legal entities are still listed as being under a suspended status at the California Business Portal. Are any steps being taken to either lift these suspensions or dissolve these corporations?
In regards to Federal recognition of Awaken Humanity:
The name Awaken Humanity has not yet shown up on the IRS Publication 78 listing of Charities and Non-Profits. I would like to see any official paperwork you have such as the actual application for tax exempt-status (either form 1023 or 1024) that you sent to the IRS along with any replies from the IRS.
Jimmy Duke wrote to me in an email:
For one to feel the need to ask "serious" questions, one must feel like the truth is not accessible and therefore needs to ask questions. And to be honest, that is just not the cast here at Mosaic. We are very open and transparent around here. And whenever I've needed clarity on something, I've asked and got an answer.
Eric, based on our previous email exchanges, I don't feel as though I am receiving any real "clarity" on the questions I have asked. I find this highly disturbing since I've not encountered such resistance from the other charitable organizations I've contacted before, in fact; a few of these volunteered to disclose information on their 501(c)(3) status before I even asked about it.
I admit, when I began asking these questions it was because I felt "the truth is not accessible" since:
1. "Awaken" does not list its board of directors anywhere on its related web pages.
2. There is too much ambiguity over the location of its office. (Which hinders "disclosure" by making it difficult for a concerned citizen to "walk in" and ask to see your documentation.)
3. Awaken has its own website but does not take advantage of the rules regarding on-line disclosure by including such documents on it web pages.
4. You still haven't acknowledged my request for a copy of your 501(c)(3) and its accompanying documentation which I am entitled to ask for under both State and Federal law. (I will let you know if my schedule will allow me to "walk in" to pick it up or (if not) I will provide you with an address where they can be mailed to as soon as you let me know how much the copies will be.) *
When I read through the web pages on "Awaken" I was alarmed to realize that there seems to be a lot of money being sent to "Awaken" in the form of proceeds from the sale of resources (films, film clips, Erwin's books, audio, DVDs, music), fees collected for conferences, and direct donations. This is why I began to ask my questions, I just wanted to be sure all this money was being handled with proper stewardship.
Unfortunately, your emails have not had much effect on alleviating my concerns.
Eric, I really was hoping that my questions would be answered without so much prompting on my part. I feel as if you, or whoever is behind your answers, has/have not taken my questions seriously.
Your sister in the Lord,
Yvonne W.
Some Concluding thoughts:
Awaken Center for Creativity and Awaken International are still under a suspended status.
I don’t know what year it was when these suspensions took place but I do know that “Awaken” has been receiving donations for its various charitable projects before its latest incarnation as Awaken Humanity as filed by Eric Bryant on April 20, 2007.
Based on the scant information I was given by Eric Bryant concerning “Awaken”, I consulted a free on-line legal resource and asked a specialist on California tax law the following question:
If a California corporation fails to follow through on the paperwork for establishing a religious non-profit under one name but 4 years later begins the paperwork on establishing another non-profit under a similar sounding name (same first word but different second word), can this new non-profit claim that any donations made during the interim period to the "short form" of the original name were tax deductible and/or covered under the new corporation?
The answer I received was:
No. The two organizations will have different EIN numbers.
EIN = Employee Identification Number, this number is issued by the IRS.
I am not saying this is what “Awaken” is trying to do but it appears as if this is what has happened.
I welcome any further comments on these issues from the leadership of Mosaic or Awaken. If my facts are incorrect, please let me know and I will correct them. If Mr. Bryant feels I have misquoted him or taken his words out of context I would be happy to reprint our entire unedited email exchange upon receipt of his written permission to do so.
As of today, May 5, 2007, I am not sure if I will be pursuing these questions any further on my own.
* I requested a copy of Awaken’s 501(c)(3) and its related documentation on April 17, 2007 using my full first and last (married) name. I am still waiting for some type of acknowledgement of my request.
Saturday, May 5, 2007
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12 comments:
Yvonne... thank you for taking the time and energy gathering this information. I know the part that I have taken in administering mosaicofpain.com has been difficult on many levels as I can imagine this site has been on you.
As I have read what you have put together I know at the very least the average member of this church will have benefited from your work even if they don’t know what you have done for them. My hope is that your efforts will wake this leadship group to it’s possible mishandeling of it’s 501c3 or at the very least the confusion of the various corporations connected to its core leadership.
Unfortunatly there seems to be more questions now than before as you attempt to unravel the Mosiac maze concerning Awaken, Globel Spectrum and it’s other corporations and programs. The weird part is why not just answer the questions. Not answering these questions just beg more questions.
Yvonne… you touched on the connection between Awaken and Erwin’s books and other resources they sell, do you have any other info in regards to this? Are you getting a sense as to why they won’t answer some of your questions? You mentioned your dad resigned from the board of Awaken due to not being able to get financial reports, does anyone know if anyong ever got those financial reports for Awaken? Eric mentions “Every year the Mosaic leadership determines the relationship between Mosaic and Awaken.” Do you know whom is apart of this “leadership”?
Well... I have more but I guess the questions are plentiful, I am hoping you get some answers.
Cris
I am a bit concerned as well and I am a current member. You are extremely thorough. As much as we (Mosaic) like to tell everyone that we are different, the truth is we are the same as every other church with a highly visible pastor. I have always been uncomfortable with pastors who "sell" the gospel. What i mean by sell is $20 books, $100 video or cd sets, $200 conferences, etc. After all, isn't the Holy Spirit the one who reveals to us the heart of God? If Jesus has paid the ultimate price for us to know Him, should we charge others for the message?!?! it seems rather ridiculous doesn't it? okay... i know what your thinking, the conferences and cd sets are meant for other Christians right? So it's okay right? WRONG! Did Paul speak to the church at corinth because they were offering an honorarium?!?!? We recently featured a rap artist at Mosaic called "Odd Thomas". You can find his performance on You Tube. Anyways, his whole message was that TV evangelist were all about money. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? We need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Hey, doesn't our pastor live in a million dollar home? Doesn't he drive a $70,000 BMW and a $50,000 Land rover that gets 14 miles a gallon on super unleaded!?!?! Doesn't he wear or own $200 shirts and $150 jeans? If this is relevance to culture then we are certainly focusing on the 5% of the population who can truly afford such luxuries. Erwin use to look, live, and dress like a regular guy. Now he is the Ryan Seacrest of the pulpit.
Sorry for going off like this but someone at Mosaic needs dig really deep and be honest with themselves. Gut check time
Yvonne… you touched on the connection between Awaken and Erwin’s books and other resources they sell, do you have any other info in regards to this? Are you getting a sense as to why they won’t answer some of your questions? You mentioned your dad resigned from the board of Awaken due to not being able to get financial reports, does anyone know if anyong ever got those financial reports for Awaken? Eric mentions “Every year the Mosaic leadership determines the relationship between Mosaic and Awaken.” Do you know whom is apart of this “leadership”?
Chris,
Unfortunately, I don't have any more information on these questions. All I know about the sale of "resources" (which include Erwin's books) is that according to the website "A portion of the proceeds from all all sales goes to help Awaken Humanity." This statement is printed at the bottom of several pages under the Awaken banner at http://www.awaken.org. I mentioned this in Non-Profit or Non-Existent?
I also don't know what happened to "Awaken" after my father resigned from its board of directors. What I would like to know is why the other elders also resigned.
Eric's statement, “Every year the Mosaic leadership determines the relationship between Mosaic and Awaken,” is really puzzling to me. Once you subtract the elders (who allegedly resigned from Awaken) who is left? Maybe some of these elders have come back on under this new "Awaken?"
You're right Chris, it seemed like the more questions I asked, the more questions I discovered to ask.
Yvonne
Anonymous,
Thank you for your comments.
My husband remembered the Land Rover but neither of us knew about the BMW, Erwin must have gotten that after we stopped going to Mosaic.
Once again, thanks for your comments.
Yvonne
I agree with anonymous's comments. It's gut check time.
I've been thinking a lot about the whole concept of "relevance to culture is not optional". What's interesting about this, is there is ONE culture that Mosaic is reaching to. There are thousands of cultures that it doesn't reach or even come close to touching. Which is fine, but I hate the arrogance in that terminology. It's almost as if Mosaic gets the culture and no one else does? What about people who where shirts from wal-mart and drive crappy cars? I mean really, 200 dollar shirts and a Land Rover?
I'm sick about all of this Yvonne. I appreciate your willingness to seek out truth in this. Many of us who attend Mosaic, are having our eyes opened and are making changes. Thanks for all of your hard work. Please keep us posted on anything important in the future.
Concerned/Confused Mosaic Attender
I love all these "anonymous" church memebers from Mosaic that suddenly started springing up. anyhow...
1. All of the book sales, guess how much Erwin makes off of them at Mosaic. $0
2. Are you aware that "Awaken Humanity" is just a small part of "Awaken"? And, the film part of Awaken Humanity is so small. Awaken Humanity includes Serve LA, Night Light, Clean and Sober, Neo-Underground Railroad as well as well as 12+ short term trips that are going out this year.
3. What about Awaken Humanity's financed alarm you so much? If you hope to discover that anyone at Mosaic or Awaken is getting rich quick by working there, you will be very disappointed.
Tomas,
Are you aware that:
(1) whoever is in charge of stocking the Mosaic "resource" department must be purchasing Erwin McManus's books at wholesale in order to resell them at Mosaic? I seriously doubt that his publishers are supplying copies of his books to Mosaic for free. My question is, how does this affect the royalties Erwin McManus collects on his book sales?
(2) Awaken Humanity (according to the California Business Portal which is an extension of the Attorney General's Office of the State of California) is now a recognized LEGAL ENTITY as a corporation. This means it is not a "small part of Awaken" any longer but a separate organization.
I used to attend Mosaic before it was called "Mosaic" and the Clean and Sober ministry began at The Church On Brady, NOT Mosaic. It is still a ministry of Mosaic.
I don't know anything about Serve LA and haven't heard from Nightlight but I did talk to Yvonne Napoleon, the FOUNDER of the Neo Undergound Railroad and she confirmed that it is a wholly SEPARATE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION with its own 501c3. It is NOT A PART of Awaken.
Tomas, the State and Federal laws regarding the organization, operation and disclosure requirements of ALL NON-PROFIT organizations (including churches and related auxilliaries) are very clear. These laws were enacted to protect the public as well as the organizations themselves.
I don't know if anyone is "getting rich quick by working there," but that is not the point; what alarms me is that if things are as disorganized as they appear to be then there could be serious, legal repercussions for the leadership of Awaken as well as a great deal of tax reporting inconvenience for its donors.
As for your comments in general, the next time you wish to comment on anything here at Solid Foods, please make sure you have read and understood what was written before you do so.
Yvonne
I think Tomas is referring to "Concerned/Confused Mosaic Attender" as anonymous. Meaning she may or may not be a current member of Mosaic.
Tomas, you really do need to do a bit more investigation/research before speaking up here. None of this is about how much Erwin makes on the books "sold at Mosaic". That is a red-herring. This is about much more.
Rick Warren (Sadleback Church) makes so much off his books that he has never taken a cent for pastoring his church. Nobody here has a problem with people making money. The problem is when anyone solicits donations for one purpose and uses it for another; otherwise known as "misappropriation of funds".
I assume you are a Mosaic member. I advise you take that membership seriously and look into some of the claims made here and other sites as well. Lashing out and saying the first thing that comes to mind when you are discovering that things are not what you believed them to be is unwise at minimum.
EM
I have looked into several claims and have practically been given the books for Awaken. If you were so concerned, you would show up at the Mosaic offices and ask yourselves too.
The books at the resource table are bought at cost from the publisher. The author has the right to do this. Of course because of this Erwin doesn't receive royalties on these books, nor do they count towards his book sales.
I ask again, what sparked your concern about Awaken's finances? I t seems like you are just investigating with the hope that you find something (no real event has taken place that concerns you about Awaken's finances)
Thomas, (or Tomas?)
I'm glad you mentioned that you "have practically been given the books for Awaken." If this is indeed the case, then there should be no problem in supplying me with the documentation I have asked for.
By law, I am not required to "walk in" to Awakens office to make a formal request for this documentation but are you telling me that the Mosaic office and Awakens office are one and the same? Wouldn't this constitute a possible conflict of interest?
Now I have some questions for you, where do the funds for purchasing Erwin's books come from? Are these funds coming from Awaken or Mosaic? Of course the author has the "right" to purchase his own books at cost, but with whose money?
Thomas, before you try to defend Awaken any further please speak to somebody with real authority at either Awaken or Mosaic.
Yvonne
Tomas,
There are quite a few problems at Mosaic. Maybe you should also go to:
www.mosaicofpain.com
Tomas,
I believe Erwin makes a few pennies more outside of mosaic.
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